Cuore L251 Documents
 

Hello,

My sister has a little Cuore L251
Engine is EJ-DE
1.0 L, 58 hp, DOHC, EFI
Year 2006
180.000 km

I really need the Owner Guide and the Workshop Repair Manual ?

Would you help me please :)


Regards,

Go to your local Dai-Dealer, in Germany it costs by 79.- € for an Repair Maunual in PDF

I live in Algeria and we do not sell any more Cuores and above all Manuals are not sold in my country!

I'm really thankful for your reply. Very useful!

I'll ask a friend to do it for me as it is not allowed from the net we are using at work... I'll inform you asap.

Yes, it is EJ-DE and I can send you a picture of the nameplate. Even on some web sites they offer two options EJ-DE or VE. But from my readings I did understand that EJ-VE is the one with VVT not the one I have, did I just misundestand you? How could we be sure of that?

I'll expose to you my issues with that little lovely car : )

As far as I know, the L251 was only sold with the EJ-VE engine.

The previous model, Cuore l701, was first sold with EJ-DE, later with EJ-VE. So it would be surprising,if there would be an EJ-DE engine in a Cuore l251 build in 2006 ;).


But of course it is posible, that in different countries different engines were used. So it can be the what is said above is only true for Europe. So pictures could help ;)

different countries, different engines!
In Europe the L251 was sold with EJ-VE (because of pollutant regulation -> Euro4), this does not mean, the engine was installed world wide!!!

Example: in south america the Gran Move was sold until 2006 with HE-C Engine -> carburetor! (no electric fuel injection, also no catalytic converter)


Rene

Yes, correct, the EJ-VE is the one with the VVT. The EJ-DE doesn't have that.

At least in Europe, The EJ-DE is listed with only 56hp, altough it is, apart from the VVT, both the same engine. It's a pollution regulation issue, I suppose.

How to be sure of the engine type? One would have to look at the camshaft/camshaft wheels, or maybe it would be an Idea to compare the part number of of the engine control unit.

But: In most cases, it doesn't matter what Engine type there is, because the VVT is the only difference.

Pictures would be nice anyway. Possibly there are other differences too, which could be seen from the pictures. For example I do wonder if it has the air filter housing of the L251 in europe or the one of the L701, which are differrent. Could interest you also, because the air filter element, which have to be changed in given intervals, are not compatible.

You are right: Different countries, different engines.

Here is the nameplate:
TYPE L251LS - GMDE
ENGINE EJ - DE
COLOR S28

I wonder which one is fitted with VVT ? and what are the differences then?

P.S. How you do to join pictures? All is written in German I'm just following signs and similar words with English : )))

Yours doesn't have VVT.

To share pictures, you got two possibilities: you can upload them to an external picture storage or homepage of your choice somewhere in the net and then provide the link to that picture by using the 7th button from the left, just above where it says "grafik einfügen".

Or you can click on "Erweitert" below and then click on the paperclip Icon above, described with "Anhänge". That opens a popup window where you can specify the path of the file to upload. Note that there are only some filetypes alowed, and it would be great if you would resize the pictures to a useful and practical resolution to reduce file size and webspace and webtraffic needed for that.

Before telling you to much about the differences of the Engine Types, it seems to be helpful, to tell you in brief, what we all here from europe have in mind, when discussing those two engine types:

First of all, before you came to tell us, that there exist L251's with an EJ-DE engine, we were all sure, that the EJ-DE belonged to the L701, which is the predecessor of the L251.

So, in europe, the two engines belong to two different models of the Cuore.

The EJ-DE was inside the L701's built between 1998 and 2000. In 2000, there was a facelift for the L701 cuore, and as a part of that, it was from then on fitted with the EJ-VE engine.

In 2003, the L251 was introduced, and due to that, the L701 went out of Production.

However, in the L251 there was still the EJ-VE engine, with only a few minor differences from the EJ-VE used before in the L701.

The L701 had had 56hp, no matter if the 1998-2000 version fitted with the EJ-DE or the 2000-2003 version fitted with the EJ-VE.

The L251, both the pre-facelift from 2003-2005 and the facelift version built from 2005 to 2007 had the EJ-VE. But different from the EJ-VE in the L701 mentioned above, it had, according to papers, 58hp.

All of them were basically the same engine, tough provided in two different generations of Daihatsu Cuore, and, in the L701 pre-facelift, without VVT.

Due to space limitations or other reasons, which I don't know, the L701, no matter if fitted with EJ-DE or EJ-VE had a different Air intake than the L251.

That means, that the air filter housing in the L701 had a different shape than the air filter housing in the L251. That means, that you need a different air filter Element for the L701 and the L251, although they both may have the same engine. Because the L701 had from the facelift on the same Engine, but not the same Air intake and thus not the same air filter housing.

Now we just learned, that in Algeria, there are L251's with EJ-DE.
So it could be possible, that it is an EJ-DE as it was in the L701, including the Air Intake of the L701, which may fit into the engine Compartment of the slightly bigger L251 too, or it could be that, althogh a EJ-DE, it had the same air intake and air filter housing as the L251 in europe. But in Europe the L251 had always the EJ-VE.

Between the EJ-DE and EJ-VE engine, the only mechanical difference at the engine itself is the VVT in the EJ-VE. That means, at least there must be a difference in the engine control unit too, so it could handle the VVT in the EJ-VE, which it didn't need to be able with the older EJ-DE, because EJ-DE do not have VVT.

Besides the Engine: Be sure to look at the brake disks, before you order spare parts for the Brakes.

The L251 in its basic variants had solid brake disks, while the facelift model which were a bit above basic equipment, had ventilated disks, which means, there was an air-pass-trough in the middle between the inner and outer side of the friction plate.

The calipers were different according to brake-disc type as well as the brake pads too.

Before I forget it: The spark plugs are surely different too, in the EJ-DE and EJ-VE engines., as well as the ignition coils.

Sorry bluedog I was writing when I received your answer.

Here some pictures

The air filter housing is the one we have here in the L251 too.

FYI: In Algeria it is called Charade (not Cuore) 2004-2007.

It's a pity that I do not have the operating Manual of my L251.

If I remember correctly, in the technical data section it had data for the EJ-DE engine too. I always wondered why. Now I finally know.

I remember that it had different spark Plugs for the different engine types.

I'm not sure if the timing belt is different too. Possibly, because the VVT device sits directly at the camshaft wheel (EJ-VE only, of course). But if the camshaft wheels are the same size, then even the timing Belt is the same for the two engine types.

If I compare the two Engines on part suppliers online, then I come to the end, that the timing belt is the same.

I compared it here (L251):

http://www.autoteile-meile.ch/cgi-bi...03&FZGNR=17325

and here (L701):

http://www.autoteile-meile.ch/cgi-bi...03&FZGNR=10464

and at the compatibility list, at the bottom of the page if you click on "Details" for a selected part.

bluedog,

I really appreciate the info you provide us. So precise and accurate.

Yes, in fact I have a concern with the engine and wonder if it is preferable to open a new topic or just put it here?

since the forum is not TOO overcrowded its most likely that you will still get sufficient response even if you put it into this thread.

and the huge advantage would be: you already explained that your l251 - different from the german models - still has an ej-de machine. so hopefully questions/complaints "but owning an l251 you should have an ej-ve engine" might not pop up :D

Try it here. We can ask to make a new topic out of it, if needed.

But its your choice.

The solution in between would be to open a new topic and place a link to this here, so every one gets it, if needed.

I'm trying to upload on Youtube a video I'd made months ago which would better explain the nature of the engine's noise - but noway, it seems to take an eternity!

The file is 1min, 68MB, MP4, any help please?

can you convert the file to *.flv? As far as I remarked, that makes the File smaller...

What Resolution does it have? Maybe you don't need a such high resolution.

Can you describe that noise, and tell us, in what circumstances it apears? Just in Idle, Only when the car is moving, only when you're braking, or is it only when driving around corners, or can you tell the Direction... just to have a bit more than just a "noise" from the engine to guess what it could be.

Normally, one starts worrying only in case an engine makes no noise at all. *g*

Funny!

I want to explain all with the video jointed. Well, let's go ahead:

This noise appears only when I rich the revs needed to upshift to the next gear.

E.g.

When I shiftup from 1st to 2nd gear at around 30km/h
2nd to 3rd at 45km/h
3rd to 4th at 75km/h

I know it would be better if I could give rpms but I don't have the counter (this another topic I want to post regarding the upgrade of the dashbord) but I can say it's likely 3500rpm and above.

This noise happens with engine either cold or warm. Moving or just accelerating from the under hood.

This noise desappears when idling or reving in law ranges.


One thing else, I have a luck of power when I shift to the the 5th gear. The speed stops at 105km/h, or just up very slowly. But if I continue acceleration keeping the 4th gear it can reach +/-140 km/h!!

This two problems may be related may be not.

For any follow up, please come there
http://www.daihatsu-forum.de/vbullet...693#post493693

Would someone send me please Maintenance Schedule of this car? Pictures from the Owner's Manual will be a good idea.

????

Anyway, need an accurate answer about the fallowing quantities:

- Engine oil qty
- Cooling water qty
- Gear box lubricant qty and type
- Brake fluid qty
- Battery caracteristics (type, cranking cold A, capacity Ah)

Thanks.

I sent you a mail ("Private NAchrichten" right above on the right hand side of the screen), just have a look at the link.

It´s in German, for the data look up "Motor", "Getriebe" ("Schaltgetriebe" or "Automatikgetriebe), "Kühlsystem" and "Bremse".

You need a reader for PDF-ducuments and then just have to click onto the magnifying glass or the word itself to get to the right chapter of the manual.

For the battery there seems to be no chapter, just have a look here in the forum, search for "Daihatsu Cuore Batterie".

Really thanks a lot for your helpful assistance.

On one battery's site (I don't know if I can mention the name?) they show tow medels accepted for Cuore L251:

Both are:
12V
40A
330Ah

Dimensiosns Length x Width x Height [mm]
Type A14 is 187 x 127 x 227
Type A13 is 187 x 140 x 227

If the electrical performance is correct, I think it should not be a big deal with 13mm of difference in the width.

Just one or two more questions : )

1) As per the Owner's Manual, what are:
- recommended km/h for shifting up gears,
- maximum km/h you can reach with each gear.

2) As per the Owner's Manual, in the starting procedure: before we drive the car is it necessary to warm up the engine till the temperature gauge reaches 0 or normal operating level? Or just run smoothly without any delay?

Thanks.

Ich übersetze:

Es geht um die Empfehlung in der Gebrauchsanweisung, wer kann nennen:

1) gemäss Bedienungsanleitung:
- Empfehlung zum Hochschalten,
- maximale Geschwindigkeit für jeden Gang.

2) Gemäss Bedienungsanleitung: Wie startet man den Wagen richtig: Ist es notwendig, den Motor vorzuwärmen bis die Temperaturanzeige 0 oder den Normalen Bereich erreicht? Oder einfach nur vorsichtig fahren, ohne Verzug?

Danke

I try to give you an answer as good as I can, but that is better confirmed by others...

As far as I remember, for 1):

Maximum km/h:

1. gear: 40km/h
2nd gear: 80km/h
3rd gear: 120km/h
4th gear: ?
5th gear: ?

This is because I had the automatic Version... It only had four gears and slightly different max speeds (e.g 125 km/h in the 3rd gear).

As an additional Info I can tell you that for L251 EJ-VE with manual transmission, top speed was 160km/h, whereas it was 150km/h with automatic transmission.

But it is common that in the 4th. gear you can get faster on good roads with some patience. 5th gear is for fuel economy and added driving comfort, and to prevent engine damage on the long run, not for top speed.

I do not have any Data for EJ-DE, so just keep that in mind.

To the recommended speed for shifting up, I'm not sure if the manual says anything.

As a rough rule of thumb, you can say, that you can take the speed of the Car and divide it by 10 to get the appropriate gear for an economical and smooth driving without too much noise, and then downshift for acceleration.

Generally, you are teached to switch into 2nd gear after passing trough a car lenghty distance, when you make your driving license in europe. (unless the road is mounting too steeply for that, of course).

But, we had that issue earlier in this tread I think... or was it the one with the Terios?

2) European version doesn't have a Temperature gauge. There's only a warning light, in green as long as the coolant is below 65°C, and a red one to tell you that the engine is too hot and needs to be turned off instantly.

But, as it is not an Airplane, which would need to take off at full power, usually we do not warm up engines. In fact, it is even prohibited by law.

Nevertheless, the green light is exactly there to tell you, that the engine is still near ice cold and you better handle it with great care.
The reasonable and thinking driver even waits longer, because above 65°C coolant and therefore no more green light, still means a fairly cold engine, as coolant warms up much faster than the engine oil and the normal coolant temperature for a warm engine lies somewhere above 80°C.

That means, it is generally recommended to drive smoothly for the first 15km after every cold start of the engine. That recommendation comes from some car manufacturers, as well as from motorist clubs.

Recommended for Shifting up is about:

1st -> 2nd = 22 km/h
2nd -> 3rd = 40 km/h
3rd -> 4th = 60 km/h
4th -> 5th = 85 km/h

This is not the most economic way of driving (you could shift up much earlier), but compared to your driving style, this seems for me to be the best solution.

With that shifting style the engine should always run between 2.000 and 3.000 rpm. See the red arrows in the diagram below. Nearly most economic would be the green arrows.

There may be some rpms where the engine doesn´t run very smoothly (mostly between 2.000 and 2.200 rpm) so, feel free to shift up later, to get higher rpm in the next gear or to shift up earlier, to run the engine between 1.500 and 2.000. My EJ-DE runs very smoothly in these regions.

What does "smoothly" mean? You can always drive right after starting the engine. Hold the revolutions per minute under 3.000 for the first 1 or 2 minutes but also do not accelerate with full throttle. Drive sensitively, you know?

... ...

Oh Man, don´t you have some sensitiveness? You should get some feeling for the car. This feeling you need not only when driving, but even for cooking or... you know... other things in life...

Maximum shifting up speeds are when the engine doesn´t accelerate further. Should be about 53, 94, 148 and 211 km/h.
If the rev-limiter is not at 7.000 but 6.500 rpm, it should be at 49, 87, 137, 196 km/h.

These are the maximum downshifting speeds, too.


All these data without any guarantee! No responsibility taken! (as I don´t know if your car is equipped with the same transmission as the German ones)

Thanks all for your technical answers.